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		<title>tithing&#8230;is it relevant today?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Currently having a great conversation via twitter that started with this initial question: @AaronBird: What do you say Christian leaders: Does supporting a missionary or ministry outside of your church count as your tithe? How would you answer? Before you do, here are some snippets of additional dialog that you may consider as well: inworship: [...]]]></description>
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<p>Currently having a great conversation via twitter that started with this initial question:</p>
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<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.twitter.com/aaronbird" target="_blank"> @AaronBird</a>: What do you say Christian leaders: Does supporting a missionary or ministry outside of your church count as your tithe?</p></blockquote>
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<p>How would you answer? Before you do, here are some snippets of additional dialog that you may consider as well:</p>
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<li>inworship: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/daveingland" target="_blank">@daveingland</a> Gotta be honest. That question from @AaronBird sounds very religious and selfish.</li>
<li>aaronbird: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/inworship" target="_blank">@inworship</a> &#8230;worthy ministries also require funds. Conflict of interest? Dunno. Just thinkin&#8217;.</li>
<li>daveingland: @aaronbird @inworship i think your tithe/offering should go to those in need. i&#8217;m more in line with paul&#8217;s teaching on gracious giving.</li>
<li>soverpeck: @daveingland @aaronbird @inworship modern way of doing church is a money pit. in the bible the &#8220;10% tithe&#8221; was about giving food to the poor</li>
<li>inworship: @AaronBird Biblically, we need to encourage heart giving. Any expectation to the local church/organization, opposes that teaching.</li>
<li>aaronbird: @inworship I don&#8217;t disagree. Just wonder what a church leader feels when giving is down &amp; has 2 make cuts but ppl expct more but give less.</li>
<li>daveingland: <a href="http://www.twitter.com/soverpeck" target="_blank">@soverpeck</a> @inworship @aaronbird in acts 2, they sold what they had &amp; gave to those in need. way more than 10% &amp; definitely money, not food</li>
<li>soverpeck: @daveingland @inworship @aaronbird absolutely. again, not to pay salaries or for cool sound systems and a mac</li>
<li>aaronbird: @soverpeck @daveingland @inworship Do we always have to defer to &#8220;the way it used to be&#8221;? Why not forge ahead &amp; be relevant to now?</li>
<li>aaronbird: @soverpeck @daveingland @inworship Should we not pay or pastors &amp; other church leaders because that&#8217;s how they used to do it in the NT?</li>
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<p>So, should one tithe to the church? Is a tithe 10%? Should giving be considered a tithe? Can one&#8211;in a biblical sense&#8211;give to those in need outside of the church and consider that their tithe&#8230;thereby not giving to the church as well? Your thoughts are appreciated.</p>
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		<title>What you see is what you get&#8230;sometimes</title>
		<link>http://www.daveingland.com/2010/05/25/what-you-see-is-what-you-get-sometimes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 08:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having lived as an atheist during the first 37 years of my life, I have to admit that I had a burning desire to always be right. Even when I was wrong, I somehow had to find a way to prove myself correct in some aspect. I always had the last word. Almost 6 years [...]]]></description>
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<p>Having lived as an atheist during the first 37 years of my life, I have to admit that I had a burning desire to always be right. Even when I was wrong, I somehow had to find a way to prove myself correct in some aspect. I always had the last word. Almost 6 years into my life of faith in Christ, I take a different perspective. I don&#8217;t have to be right anymore. Specifically, I don&#8217;t care if others think I am wrong if I know I&#8217;m right. I can walk away and let them think I&#8217;m wrong. I don&#8217;t have to win the argument, nor prove that I&#8217;m smarter than someone else. However, this Scripture is something I struggle with:</p>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, &#8216;I repent,&#8217; forgive him.&#8221; &#8211;<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Luke+17%3A3-4" class="bibleref" title="NIV Luke 17:3-4" target="_new">Luke 17:3-4 NIV</a></p></blockquote>
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<p>You see, when I read certain passages in the Bible it seems to tell me that there are times when I should point out the wrongdoing of others. However, it&#8217;s hard to do so without coming across as more-righteous than another and that&#8217;s a place I really don&#8217;t want to go to anymore.</p>
<p>With that said, I must admit that there are times when people do something out of ignorance. It&#8217;s prejudicial, racist, condescending or even blasphemous and I want to reach out and tell them how wrong it is, but 99.9% of the time I just let it go. Unfortunately with me, what happens is that I tend to hold the words or actions of another against them. I won&#8217;t be fake and act like I&#8217;m okay, but I&#8217;ll just choose to avoid the situation and not make a big deal. When I find people say something, yet have their actions reveal something else it&#8217;s hurtful and difficult for me to accept in silence.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t always who they say they are and usually it isn&#8217;t revealed in what they say, but instead in what they do. I want to call them out on it. I feel like I have Biblical ammunition to support my case. In the end, I just offer grace and hope that they&#8217;ll learn that they are transparent and at some point their words will be revealed as meaningless. I guess I hope that this reaction will be the conviction they need to correct themselves. I just believe that God is there to take care of these things and rather than make a bad situation worse, I&#8217;ll let God deal with it in other ways.</p>
<p>My new position finds me feeling weak at times. I come home and kick myself for not standing up and saying something some times. Whether it&#8217;s right or wrong to take the high road, I do my best to keep the integrity of my faith and beliefs intact. Some days it&#8217;s hard though.</p>
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		<title>The clothes make the man!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny story, but I ended up wearing a tie to go out on an interview yesterday. It&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve worn a tie in over 2 years. For fun, I posted a picture of me in the tie right before my interview and it&#8217;s gotten more responses from people than any nature or family [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.daveingland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1011.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1264" title="IMG_1011" src="http://www.daveingland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_1011-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" /></a>Funny story, but I ended up wearing a tie to go out on an interview yesterday. It&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve worn a tie in over 2 years. For fun, I posted a picture of me in the tie right before my interview and it&#8217;s gotten more responses from people than any nature or family picture I&#8217;ve ever posted before on twitter or facebook. Who knew my clothes would have made such an impact!</p>
<p>One of the things I noticed while I was preparing for my interview was how different I felt wearing dress clothes. I was confident and ready to impress. Not that I&#8217;m some kind of fashion model in my tie, but that I felt like I was ready to face any question or situation the interviewer would throw at me and knock it out of the park. I was ready. It was the clothes. Had I been dressed in casual attire, I feel as if I would have given casual answers. My mindset was being dictated by how I was dressed.</p>
<p>As I noticed all of the commentary going on about the photo of me in a tie, it got me to thinking about another set of clothes and how they made me feel. As a Christian, I have been taught that I have been clothed by God in righteousness and salvation. Lately, this suit hasn&#8217;t made me look good. It isn&#8217;t the clothes, but it&#8217;s the wearer of the clothes that needs to clean up. You see, I&#8217;ve gone through some experiences that have negatively impacted my spirit and outlook. It&#8217;s caused me to succumb to a lot of pessimism and negativity. Regardless of the clothes I am wearing, my attitude and language has been one of feeling defeated and without worth.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Isaiah+61%3A10" class="bibleref" title="NIV Isaiah 61:10" target="_new">Isaiah 61:10</a> we read about the clothes we&#8217;ve been freely given:</p>
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I will sing for joy in God,<br />
explode in praise from deep in my soul!<br />
He dressed me up in a suit of salvation,<br />
he outfitted me in a robe of righteousness,<br />
As a bridegroom who puts on a tuxedo<br />
and a bride a jeweled tiara.
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<p>Do I realize that no matter what clothes I may physically put on to start my day, I always have on a suit of salvation and a robe of righteousness? The simple answer is, no I do not always realize this. I have accepted the beautiful wardrobe Christ has given me, but I wear it with a sour attitude and an unappreciative expression.</p>
<p>How about you? Do you always remember that you are as dapper as groom in his tuxedo or as stunning as a bride in her jeweled tiara? God wants us to remember this and to be forever thankful for his grace in our lives, as he shares his grace through us for others.</p>
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		<title>What is your calling?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 21:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m still reflecting on my last session with Pastor Tom Morgan, my spiritual director. [For those of you haven't considered meeting with a spiritual director, or may not know what one is, please check out this overview] Tom has a great way of sitting back and hearing me out, then helping clarity rise to the [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m still reflecting on my last session with Pastor <a href="http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Morgan/1386949098" target="_blank">Tom Morgan</a>, my spiritual director. [For those of you haven't considered meeting with a spiritual director, or may not know what one is, please check out this <a href="http://www.sdiworld.org/what_is_spiritual_direction2.html" target="_blank">overview</a>] Tom has a great way of sitting back and hearing me out, then helping clarity rise to the surface simply by asking, &#8220;Where is God in all of this?&#8221; Having operated for so many years with a strong calling to plant a church, it is so weird&#8211;sometimes frightening&#8211;to not be driven by this calling. Through my time with Pastor Morgan, I am beginning to embrace this unknowing feeling of not sensing a clear call to action. As I release myself from the burdens of seeking finite and absolute direction from God, I believe that I am being filled with something even greater. It&#8217;s a new calling and one that I don&#8217;t have much experience with. I believe that God wants you to reflect on this calling for your life as well. No matter what you feel about your ministry and how called you are to pursue it, take a look at a far greater and superior calling found in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=1+Peter+2%3A9-10" class="bibleref" title="NIV 1Peter 2:9-10" target="_new">1 Peter 2:9-10</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><sup>9</sup>But you are a chosen race, a royal<span style="font-size: small;"><span> </span></span>priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into<span style="font-size: small;"><span> </span></span>his marvelous light. <sup>10</sup>Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your calling is to come out of the darkness and into the light. To live a life transformed through your faith in Christ, by his grace, to love God and love others. Yes, God&#8217;s calling which is superior to any calling you may operate under is to be in eternal relationship with him. God loves you and asks that you love him in return. He cares more about you than he cares about your ministry, sermon prep, long hours in prayer for your church members, etc. First and foremost you must have a strong relationship with God first.</p>
<p>I have always known this, yet have been so busy looking for signs and confirmations of how to move forward in ministry, that I have put ministry ahead of my relationship with God often. Now, as I have come to embrace the fact that I have excluded myself from formal ministry in favor of having some intimate time learning of how my Creator wants to know me more, so that I can in-turn know him more, I can experience the highest calling ever placed upon my life.</p>
<p>Your ministry, family, community, church&#8230;those are all important things to be called to. I don&#8217;t want to discount that. However, if you put those things ahead of your personal relationship with God through Christ, then you are setting yourself up for some lonely days and a lot of failures. God called  you to himself first. Honor that calling above all others and you can know with certainty that you operating under his will and that he is pleased.</p>
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		<title>Hope</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found myself reverting back to my favorite verse in the Bible during my devotional time this morning. It is Romans 15:13 AMP: May the God of your hope so fill you with all joy and peace in believing [through the experience of your faith] that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may [...]]]></description>
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<p>I found myself reverting back to my favorite verse in the Bible during my devotional time this morning. It is <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=45&amp;passage=Romans+15%3A13" class="bibleref" title="AMP Romans 15:13" target="_new">Romans 15:13 AMP</a>:</p>
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May the God of your hope so fill you with all joy and peace in believing [through the experience of your faith] that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound and be overflowing (bubbling over) with hope.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s rooted in my faith and acknowledges whom I put my hope in. It also reveals that the only way I can experience such hope&#8211;and the joy and peace that accompanies it&#8211;is through the power of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Confession time: I&#8217;m feeling a little miffed at the moment. I&#8217;ve taken some steps backwards by putting my hope and trust in some people, rather than pursuing a different path. I&#8217;ve lost track of the keys in the verse that have helped me stay faithful in my journey with God. As a result, I have found more chaos, heartache, disappointment and confusion than I have joy and peace lately. I&#8217;m feeling stuck, yet there must be hope.</p>
<p>I need to take corrective action today to allow the Holy Spirit within me to guide my steps and to trust that by doing so, I may &#8220;abound and be overflowing with hope.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is your hope? May it conform to the beauty and truth revealed in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Romans+15%3A13" class="bibleref" title="NIV Romans 15:13" target="_new">Romans 15:13</a>.</p>
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		<title>Church Planting &amp; Philippians: Final Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>It&#8217;s been a great week studying, praying, and mediating through the Book of Philippians&#8230;four chapters in 4 days. Here are some of my final thoughts:</p>
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<li>Even though the Philippian church was supportive of Paul and gave him cause to rejoice always, it is clear that in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Philippians+4%3A2-3" class="bibleref" title="NIV Philippians 4:2-3" target="_new">Philippians 4:2-3 NIV</a> that there was some strife going on with some of the leadership. If you&#8217;re looking for the perfect church, you will always be looking as it does not exist!</li>
<li>Jesus is coming back and we should live as if we believe it to be true. We may not know the exact day or hour, but Christ has promised to return and Paul reminds us of that in Philppians 4:5 MSG. We must act now and not presume that since there is always tomorrow we can relax. </li>
<li>Even though there is emphasis on the financial gifts Paul received from the church in Philippi, he makes it clear in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Philippians+4%3A11" class="bibleref" title="NIV Philippians 4:11" target="_new">Philippians 4:11</a> that he is not in need and trusts in God to provide for him in all things. With money comes a lot of things, especially a sense of entitlement. May we never be afraid to say no to a big donor that asks for things in return. May we always trust in God that he will send his provision to us in proportion to what we need. He is always right on time!</li>
<li>In <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Philippians+2%3A25" class="bibleref" title="NIV Philippians 2:25" target="_new">Philippians 2:25</a> Paul talks about sending Epaphroditus to help the church in Philippi. In verse 19 he mentioned sending Timothy. I am reminded that God has sent who we needed to support us in the time of our preview services. Whether we move forward as an actual launch team and core group remains to be seen, but I will never forget the things our group have done to get us here. They&#8217;ve worked hard to put their best foot forward for small gatherings on our Sunday preview services and God will honor that and their worship in the future. We all need help and when the right people come our way we don&#8217;t always count them as blessings. Team Revolution, please know that I am blessed beyond measure and indebted to each of you!</li>
<li><a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=45&amp;passage=Philippians+3" class="bibleref" title="AMP Philippians 3" target="_new">Philippians 3 AMP</a> was a big chapter for me. It is a reminder I need to remain humble and put no confidence in my flesh or in others. Everything must be from God and for God, done in a spirit of reverence and humility. It&#8217;s been a long road for me to become humbled before my God, but he has been working on me from my first days as a new creation in him and he is continuing that good work in me this day. </li>
<li>God has started something good within us at <a href="http://revsacramento.com">Revolution Church Sacramento</a>. For some it may be the start of an amazing journey with us and for others it may be the start of a new journey in a new place or in an old place with a fresh, new perspective. Regardless of where we each go when our preview services finish next week, we have been put together for a reason and it&#8217;s been a great time! The presence of the Lord has been upon us and I am being stretched, shaped and prepared to keep pressing on towards the goal with clearer insight on how to move forward. </li>
<li>Church planting has been difficult and easy, fun and painstaking, at times second nature and other times a battle of wills. Through it all, it has given me a sense of purpose and a deep inner peace that nothing else has ever done for me. It is so strange to me to think of future successes owing all things to Christ who gives me strength rather than immediate, tangible rewards from my business experience. It is a place that brings me great joy and I can freely admit that if another day ever comes in my time with Revolution Church Sacramento, I stand here right now with no regrets and only love for my fellow human being and a joy in knowing that the world has already been made a better place through our actions. </li>
<li>As it is written in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Philippians+2%3A17-18" class="bibleref" title="NIV Philippians 2:17-18" target="_new">Philippians 2:17-18</a>: &#8220;But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.&#8221; Friends, let us rejoice and be glad together! To the people of Revolution Church Sacramento, I pray that we will be rejoicing together for years to come. Your sacrifice and service has made me so proud of your hearts for the kingdom and your love and grace.  </li>
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		<title>Church Planting &amp; Philippians 4</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NIV version of Philippians 4:4-7 tells us to rejoice in the Lord always. Not just once, but it is written twice! It reminds us to let our gentleness be apparent to all and to not be anxious about anything. We are instructed to pray about everything and be thankful as the peace of God [...]]]></description>
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<p>The NIV version of <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Philippians+4%3A4-7" class="bibleref" title="NIV Philippians 4:4-7" target="_new">Philippians 4:4-7</a> tells us to rejoice in the Lord always. Not just once, but it is written twice! It reminds us to let our gentleness be apparent to all and to not be anxious about anything. We are instructed to pray about everything and be thankful as the peace of God will take us beyond anything we ever imagined, and guard our hearts and minds as we focus on Christ Jesus. </p>
<p>As I mentioned earlier, the common thread through all of Philippians is the notion of joy and rejoicing. Some days in ministry, especially in church planting, at the end of the day of being beaten down and weary it is difficult to think of rejoicing. Not only are we faced with battling the community as we represent Christ and faith in him to a world that is in opposition to him, but we also face issues within our leadership and people, anger from those hurt by the church in the past, people that feel we are divisive because they think God&#8217;s Word excludes them, working without similar financial compensation that we would get in any other workplace, people committing with their lips yet not with their hands, etc. However, if anyone of us looks at these and wishes they were not in ministry I have some simple advice. GET OUT NOW! Paul explains to us and we need to understand that we are called to rejoice in all things. We are on the side of righteousness and eternal life. We are not working for treasures here on earth. If at the end of the day you can&#8217;t get yourself to come around and go face the world the next morning, this probably isn&#8217;t the time for you to be in ministry. Go do something else and be happy. Ministry is difficult. Church planting is difficult. It takes someone committed to keep working at it for a cause greater than themselves and their personal feelings. I have gotten to some low points and faced the decision of leaving the ministry or giving up on the vision of seeing a transformational community come together here in Sacramento. It&#8217;s easy to give up. Sometimes it feels right to want to give up. We need to work through those feelings and jump back into the fire or really make the decision to get out. Otherwise you will crash and burn and be useless to others, probably even useless to yourself. It&#8217;s not necessarily the end of your ministry, but quite possibly it may be a well-needed rest to be ready for God&#8217;s timing when he calls you to something new. </p>
<p>We are called to pray and give thanks in everything. However, we aren&#8217;t always going to be able to. It&#8217;s just a fact. No one can really be rejoicing in the face of adversity, pain, heartbreak or loss. How we handle those times will determine how we move forward and if we will ever get to a place of rejoicing after the fire has come and gone. For me, the biggest saving grace in my life are the friends that God has surrounded me with. As an atheist for 37 years before becoming a Christian, you can imagine that most of my friends are worldly and in some instances atheists as well. During the rough times, these friends of mine will typically encourage me to get out and go back to what used to bring me a six figure income, nice cars and travel. To them, my reasoning for going away from that life never quite clicked in their minds. Most of them envied my position and respected me for my worldly credentials and successes. So, I value my new friendships with people that know my struggles and encourage me. I could not be where I am without them. When I look at my friendships, all of them being outside of my city, I revel in God&#8217;s favor on my life. My friends aren&#8217;t wealthy and can&#8217;t jump in and help me setup sound equipment or invite people to connect with our community of faith, but they are always there anytime I call or email. They always listen before speaking. Whether it&#8217;s days or months that pass by without contact, or maybe even just a few hours&#8230;they are always by my side and praying to God for me. For this I rejoice even though I face difficult days and rejection at times. It is easy to get back on the horse after getting kicked off and stomped when one has friends like I do!</p>
<p>In my study time through Philippians this week, I find that The Message translation of verses 4-7 speak to me in ways that most fill my heart with joy. It is written in a way that encourages and reminds us that we should celebrate the gift of ministering to others that God has given us. With this gift comes great responsibility, but knowing there is nothing else I could do right now than this, it is a sweet and pleasant taste that I want to savor&#8230;to know that somewhere, someone is going to know Christ eternally through something that is said or done in the context of living life as followers of him is an amazing thing. So amazing, that I want to share the experience with others and bring them along in this journey. I want to share the love of Christ in my heart with others and let them know his healing power still works, that miracles happen all around us every day, that Satan is fooling and deceiving a lot of people that are clueless to his lies. There is great power in Christ that needs to be manifested through his people. I&#8217;m looking for a team of people that believe that and desire to serve under this powerful anointing on Sacramento. Know that the Lord is near and he is coming soon. Consider our time here on earth to be short&#8230;how does that make you feel? Does it move you to do more? Is something stirring in your heart when you think about it? I close with <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=65&amp;passage=Philippians+4%3A4-7" class="bibleref" title="MSG Philippians 4:4-7" target="_new">Philippians 4:4-7 MSG</a>&#8230;it&#8217;s time to stand up and celebrate!</p>
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Celebrate God all day, every day. I mean, revel in him! Make it as clear as you can to all you meet that you&#8217;re on their side, working with them and not against them. Help them see that the Master is about to arrive. He could show up any minute!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fret or worry. Instead of worrying, pray. Let petitions and praises shape your worries into prayers, letting God know your concerns. Before you know it, a sense of God&#8217;s wholeness, everything coming together for good, will come and settle you down. It&#8217;s wonderful what happens when Christ displaces worry at the center of your life.
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend Kenny Jahng recently posted this question to twitter: @kkcoolj Does the Church have any responsibility to teach its own brothers &#38; sisters 2 treat THEMSELVES w/ financial accountability, responsibility? From this we engaged in some conversation about the matter via twitter, but 140 character bursts won&#8217;t really add clarity to my position. Thus, [...]]]></description>
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<p>My friend Kenny Jahng recently posted this question to twitter:</p>
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<span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">@kkcoolj Does the Church have any responsibility to teach its own brothers &amp; sisters 2 treat THEMSELVES w/ financial accountability, responsibility?</span></span>
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<p><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">From this we engaged in some conversation about the matter via twitter, but 140 character bursts won&#8217;t really add clarity to my position. Thus, this blog post was created to reinforce my views.</p>
<p>Kenny and I are on different sides of the fence on this issue. In actuality, he <em>and</em> most other people may be on the other side of the fence from me. However, I feel the church is not a classroom and we put off a lot of people when we plead with the church to listen to messages that have no relevance to them. Let me explain: I believe that the bride of Christ [<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Revelation+19%3A7" class="bibleref" title="NIV Revelation 19:7" target="_new">Revelation 19:7</a>] should be more concerned about matters of the kingdom than about personal shortcomings. I am not interested in programs and classes, instead I want people far from God to come to know that his people are open-minded, big-hearted, compassionate and operating under grace and mercy from above and no one is above the love of Christ or so far away that he won&#8217;t draw near to them. </span></span></p>
<p><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">Is being <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/managing-finances.html" target="_blank">responsible with our finances a biblical principle</a>? Absolutely! <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Proverbs+22%3A26-27" class="bibleref" title="NIV Proverbs 22:26-27" target="_new">Proverbs 22:26-27</a> and <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Luke+16%3A1-4" class="bibleref" title="NIV Luke 16:1-4" target="_new">Luke 16:1-4</a> are a key verse for me in this respect. Should the church share the Word of God in regards to money? Definitely. However, should the church make it a point to minister to people about money assuming that no one knows how to be good stewards of their finances? I don&#8217;t think so.</span></span></p>
<p><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">As bad as the economy is right now and with all of the defaults on mortgages, auto loans, credit cards, etc. know that there are still many people out there with perfect credit, stable employment and comfortable homes. Some even have much more in excess of their needs with no worries about making ends meet. Will talking to them at length about managing their finances really help them to know Christ and to be light to others that do not know Jesus eternally? I can&#8217;t connect the two. There is a place to talk about finances and money in context of the gospel, but becoming financial professors to the community at large isn&#8217;t what I believe the church was intended to do.</span></span></p>
<p><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content">As a side note, what does financial freedom really do? In its basic form, it empowers people to know peace without Christ. They get complacent and sometimes even become so thrifty that they fail to help others as they horde their money in fear of losing it. If we as the church teach people to manage their finances better, they feel less need for God and others. They take the information and put it in the bank for safe keeping. In contrast to that, rather than force feed people messages on financial freedom or prosperity, what if we explained that our finances really have God as the source? If we took a biblical view of what money is and how God entrusted us as stewards with hearts of compassion for others that have less. Imagine what the world would be like if we as supposed Christ followers stopped looking to the church as having to meet their personal needs and looked to others as the Bible tells us to in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Matthew+25%3A31-46" class="bibleref" title="NIV Matthew 25:31-46" target="_new">Matthew 25:31-46</a>:</span></span></p>
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<sup id="en-NIV-24037" class="versenum">31</sup>&#8220;When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. <sup id="en-NIV-24038" class="versenum">32</sup>All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. <sup id="en-NIV-24039" class="versenum">33</sup>He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24040" class="versenum">34</sup>&#8220;Then the King will say to those on his right, &#8216;Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. <sup id="en-NIV-24041" class="versenum">35</sup>For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, <sup id="en-NIV-24042" class="versenum">36</sup>I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.&#8217;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24043" class="versenum">37</sup>&#8220;Then the righteous will answer him, &#8216;Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? <sup id="en-NIV-24044" class="versenum">38</sup>When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? <sup id="en-NIV-24045" class="versenum">39</sup>When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?&#8217;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24046" class="versenum">40</sup>&#8220;The King will reply, &#8216;I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.&#8217;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24047" class="versenum">41</sup>&#8220;Then he will say to those on his left, &#8216;Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. <sup id="en-NIV-24048" class="versenum">42</sup>For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, <sup id="en-NIV-24049" class="versenum">43</sup>I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.&#8217;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24050" class="versenum">44</sup>&#8220;They also will answer, &#8216;Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?&#8217;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24051" class="versenum">45</sup>&#8220;He will reply, &#8216;I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.&#8217;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-24052" class="versenum">46</sup>&#8220;Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.&#8221;
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<p>We as the church need to show others just how much Christ loves them and has a plan for their lives which leads not to peace in this world, but peace on an uncomparable, eternal level with the God of the universe. Let us focus on Jesus, the lover of our soul and less on how we can have happier lives because of a false understanding that God wants us to be happy. God never, ever called on us to be happy. He did, however, call us to be holy!</p>
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<p><a><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-751" title="myth-of-a-christian-religion-blog" src="http://www.daveingland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/myth-of-a-christian-religion-blog-194x300.jpg" alt="myth-of-a-christian-religion-blog" width="194" height="300" /></a>One of the people that has spoken volumes into my life and ministry is <a href="http://dwillard.org" target="_blank">Dallas Willard</a>. This is probably one of the reasons why I am so drawn to the thoughts and writings of <a href="http://gregboyd.org" target="_blank">Gregory Boyd</a> as he is also a student of Willard&#8217;s teachings on the Kingdom of God.</p>
<p>Boyd&#8217;s latest book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310283833?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=daveinglandsp-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310283833"><em>The Myth of a Christian Religion: Losing Your Religion for the Beauty of a Revolution</em></a><img style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=daveinglandsp-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0310283833" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /> is an amazing read! So amazing that I can&#8217;t just write a review of it, rather I&#8217;d like to break it down into chapters and expound upon some connections and challenges.</p>
<p>In the introduction, Pastor Boyd declares something so simple, yet misunderstood. It summarizes the core of Willard&#8217;s teachings:</p>
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This may surprise or even offend you, but Jesus is not the founder of the Christian religion. True, a religion arose centuries after he lived tht was called &#8220;Christian,&#8221; but&#8230;in many respects the very concept of a &#8220;Christian religion&#8221; is something of a myth when understood in the light of what Jesus was about.
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<p>Yes, you did read that correctly. Yes, I do believe it to be accurate theology. You see, Jesus was more than what we make him out to be. Jesus was more than a prophet&#8230;he was actually revolutionary! The Son of God, the Christ, the Messiah was not about religion. In fact, he showed time and time again that he was against religious acts (<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Luke+18%3A9-14" class="bibleref" title="NIV Luke 18:9-14" target="_new">Luke 18:9-14</a>; <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Matthew+6%3A5" class="bibleref" title="NIV Matthew 6:5" target="_new">Matthew 6:5</a>).</p>
<p>Jesus is known as a great story teller with a knack for sharing his truth in ways that caused people to think, rather than be spoon fed everything. It was unheard of in that day and even his own disciples questioned why he spoke in parables so often. It was all part of the revolution he was creating. A revolution against being religious. Boyd writes:</p>
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What Jesus was about had nothing to do with being religious. Read the Gospels! He partied with the worst of sinners and outraged the religious. This is what got him crucified.</p>
<p>What Jesus was about was starting a revolution. He called this revolution the Kingdom of God.
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<p>Imagine that! In reading the gospels, we find that in <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=Luke+4%3A43" class="bibleref" title="NIV Luke 4:43" target="_new">Luke 4:43 NIV</a> Jesus states his purpose in coming to us was to preach the good news of the kingdom of God. This is such an amazing thing that Boyd describes the kingdom of God like this:</p>
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The Kingdom of God that Jesus established is centered on one thing, and one thing only: manifesting the beauty of God&#8217;s character and thus revolting against everything that is inconsistent with this beauty. The Kingdom is centered on displaying a beauty that revolts.
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<p>The kingdom really isn&#8217;t about religion after all. It&#8217;s about following Christ and all that is beautiful in God&#8217;s ways while we shed all that is ugly. As Boyd so perfectly summarizes, &#8220;The kingdom, in short, is a beautiful revolution.&#8221;</p>
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<p>If God spoke to you and promised to immediately deliver on one prayer, what would you pray? Some may pray for a job, or a house, a spouse, world peace, an end to poverty, strength to just get through the day. Once even Jesus prayed that the burden be taken from him if possible as death on the cross was going to be so painful.</p>
<p>After videotaping a message for <a href="http://lifechurch.tv" target="_blank">LifeChurch.tv</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://2009.oneprayer.com" target="_blank">One Prayer</a> project, I have the thought of one prayer on my mind a lot. Even this weekend I&#8217;m preaching at the mother church and I had to pick some verses from the first half of 1 Kings. This is where Solomon&#8217;s one prayer takes place.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I could condense my prayers down to just one if given the opportunity, but let&#8217;s see how Solomon responded:</p>
<ul> <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=31&amp;passage=1+Kings+3%3A5-12" class="bibleref" title="NIV 1Kings 3:5-12" target="_new">1 Kings 3:5-12 NIV</a>:</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-8822" class="versenum">5</sup> At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon during the night in a dream, and God said, &#8220;Ask for whatever you want me to give you.&#8221;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-8823" class="versenum">6</sup> Solomon answered, &#8220;You have shown great kindness to your servant, my father David, because he was faithful to you and righteous and upright in heart. You have continued this great kindness to him and have given him a son to sit on his throne this very day.</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-8824" class="versenum">7</sup> &#8220;Now, O LORD my God, you have made your servant king in place of my father David. But I am only a little child and do not know how to carry out my duties. <sup id="en-NIV-8825" class="versenum">8</sup> Your servant is here among the people you have chosen, a great people, too numerous to count or number. <sup id="en-NIV-8826" class="versenum">9</sup> So give your servant a discerning heart to govern your people and to distinguish between right and wrong. For who is able to govern this great people of yours?&#8221;</p>
<p><sup id="en-NIV-8827" class="versenum">10</sup> The Lord was pleased that Solomon had asked for this. <sup id="en-NIV-8828" class="versenum">11</sup> So God said to him, &#8220;Since you have asked for this and not for long life or wealth for yourself, nor have asked for the death of your enemies but for discernment in administering justice, <sup id="en-NIV-8829" class="versenum">12</sup> I will do what you have asked. I will give you a wise and discerning heart, so that there will never have been anyone like you, nor will there ever be.</ul>
<p>Solomon was so honored by God that he only wanted what God wanted. In verse 9 his prayer is that God grant him a discerning heart to govern his people and to distinguish between right and wrong. How humble and noble is that? He didn&#8217;t ask for wealth or obedience from his servants or long life or anything practical from a human perspective. He just wanted to be wise. So often, after seeking things from God, in the end, wouldn&#8217;t it have been better had we just asked for wisdom and discernment?</p>
<p>I have such a long list of things I&#8217;d like to have for my life, my family, my business, and the church plant. Usually at the top of that list is something that money can buy. However, today I need to re-direct those thoughts into seeking God&#8217;s wisdom and asking him to give me a discerning heart. Help me to cut through the garbage and focus on things that money can&#8217;t buy. Put my sights not on the silver and gold and things that moth and rust can destroy, but turn to heavenly things and trust that God will give me all that is needed to do his will.</p>
<p>In light of Solomon&#8217;s wise choice for his prayer, if God were to grant you one prayer that he would immediately deliver upon, what would you pray?</p>
<p>PS. In honor of Solomon&#8217;s humbleness and humility, immediately following the passage above, in verse 13 God tells Solomon: &#8220;Moreover, I will give you what you have not asked for—both riches and honor—so that in your lifetime you will have no equal among kings.&#8221;</p>
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